tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post6344332089067691596..comments2024-03-25T13:40:30.747-04:00Comments on Faith and Theology: Is God imprisoned in history?Ben Myershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03800127501735910966noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-84097698488389607812007-10-28T16:14:00.000-04:002007-10-28T16:14:00.000-04:00I think the error being made by Halden and Ben is ...I think the error being made by Halden and Ben is that they take the resurrection as revealing "the triune God" or "God" when for Paul it reveals the identity of Jesus as the "Son" when he was ensarkos. It shows he was not the failed Son of David but the Son of God. Stated crudely, the resurrection clarifies an "episode" in the life of the Son (the incarnation).<BR/><BR/>Paul is quite comfortable speaking in temporal terms of the decision of the Son to "descend". His earthly life is not the the constitution of his eternal relationship. It is something that happened "when the moment was right".<BR/><BR/>The Son takes on "flesh" (goes from riches to poverty then back to glory), but should not be measured by it because he in fact is Spirit and that was made clear at the resurrection when he took leave of that flesh (ascended back to glory). For Paul minimally, the Son may have some enigmatic body, but he is forever asarkos.<BR/><BR/>JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-68061879157914396002007-10-27T13:57:00.000-04:002007-10-27T13:57:00.000-04:00Though not a professional theologian C.S. Lewis mu...Though not a professional theologian C.S. Lewis mused that God somehow eternally relates to infirmity. But for him the idea was based on a bad rendering of a passage in John's Revelation. That "slain before the foundations of the earth" passage. But I've always found the idea powerful that because God's character is revealed in his actions that his character and even his being is ultimately that of a suffering messiah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-49689273346169533972007-10-27T12:02:00.000-04:002007-10-27T12:02:00.000-04:00Ben, I was reading this post and wondering if you ...Ben, I was reading this post and wondering if you could discuss the distinction between you and Molnar's disagreement on whether or not the resurrection "contitutes" God. It seems to me the NT speaks more in terms of "manifesting" God in the death and resurrection of Jesus. Perhaps you could illucidate the disagreement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com