tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post5110374863937558937..comments2024-03-25T13:40:30.747-04:00Comments on Faith and Theology: The bread and cupBen Myershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03800127501735910966noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-54077141266564204742007-02-12T19:15:00.000-05:002007-02-12T19:15:00.000-05:00Yes, Michael, I do. Indeed I remember arguing in ...Yes, Michael, I do. Indeed I remember arguing in an essay I did for my theology degee at Oxford that Calvin's understanding of the eucharistic presence is actually higher than Cranmer's - though <I>which</I> Cranmer I can't remember, and, of course, I was then a young whippersnapper. By the way, that essay too must be lying in a cardboard box somewhere - or in some unapproachable recess in my study!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-6334175795898766992007-02-12T16:49:00.000-05:002007-02-12T16:49:00.000-05:00Ah, my copy of that book (G-e-rrish) lies in a car...Ah, my copy of that book (G-e-rrish) lies in a cardboard box in Australia, alas... <BR/><BR/>Do you think Cranmer would have thought this too?michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-55609442805126919722007-02-12T11:34:00.000-05:002007-02-12T11:34:00.000-05:00Hi Michael,Anonymous may be right, but I don't thi...Hi Michael,<BR/><BR/>Anonymous may be right, but I don't think you are being dense; after all, Jenson <I>is</I> a Lutheran. But even if, like me, your are a Calvinist, you should have no problem with a bodily presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper. As B.A. Garrish argues in <I>Grace and Gratitude: the Eucharistic Theology of John Calvin</I> (1993), though, according to Calvin, Christ is not <I>spatially</I> present in the sacrament, he nevertheless meets us as embodied person to embodied person, lifted up (Sursum corda!) in the Spirit as we are into the presence of the ascended Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-69449577669868254902007-02-12T06:49:00.000-05:002007-02-12T06:49:00.000-05:00OH, ok, that makes more sense. Sorry for being den...OH, ok, that makes more sense. Sorry for being dense!michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-1378215971354010472007-02-11T15:56:00.000-05:002007-02-11T15:56:00.000-05:00I think he's just saying that the gospel is the pr...I think he's just saying that the gospel is the proclamation of Jesus' <I>bodily</I> resurrection; so if Christ isn't "present in the body", the gospel would be false.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-21964777889689822282007-02-11T00:36:00.000-05:002007-02-11T00:36:00.000-05:00hmm, yes, Lutheran view... never understood it per...hmm, yes, Lutheran view... never understood it personally. Don't really understand what he is getting at here either.michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.com