tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post6809095822148952136..comments2024-03-25T13:40:30.747-04:00Comments on Faith and Theology: Benedict XVI: spe salviBen Myershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03800127501735910966noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-53668336062557096342008-12-30T13:29:00.000-05:002008-12-30T13:29:00.000-05:00The final paragraph of this post reminds me of a t...The final paragraph of this post reminds me of a term used in Scripture: "Baptism by fire". Cool! :) <BR/><BR/>I personally believe in the ultimate salvation of all, and that any "hell" that a person goes through post-mortem will be of the corrective sort, and not merely endless torture for it's own sake. Being in God's presence is bound to fix anything that's broken at that point. ;)Reginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091069741935999148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-5556342804540578232008-03-09T11:51:00.000-04:002008-03-09T11:51:00.000-04:00“Some recent theologians are of the opinion that t...“Some recent theologians are of the opinion that the fire which both burns and saves is Christ himself, the Judge and Saviour."<BR/><BR/>Can anyone elaborate on who these "recent theologians" are and maybe cite a reference or two? Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-68029662471978981562007-12-08T13:09:00.000-05:002007-12-08T13:09:00.000-05:00I've been wrestling with indulgence for some time....I've been wrestling with indulgence for some time. I plan to have a post up at Deep Furrows (I hope this weekend). <BR/><BR/>To offer a short answer here, the Vatican II Apostolic Constitution on the Revision of Indulgences (Indulgentiarum Doctrina) affirmed the value of indulgences and rejected their historical abuse. It also eliminated the quantification in days and years:<BR/><BR/>"Concerning partial indulgences, the way they have been determined hitherto, by days and years, is abolished." (Chapter V)Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01262662173303042998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-72417344621180748272007-12-07T12:59:00.000-05:002007-12-07T12:59:00.000-05:00Theodora, me too. Does what he write correspond wi...Theodora, me too. Does what he write correspond with a theology of indulgences? Someone help me here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-23882867977373064072007-12-07T02:28:00.000-05:002007-12-07T02:28:00.000-05:00For a second there, I thought the last quotation f...For a second there, I thought the last quotation from the encyclical might be the beginning of a healthy view of purgatory - one maybe with some ecumenical elbow room in it. And then I noted on the BBC news website that Benedict's just approved a load of indulgences for the 150th anniversary of Lourdes. It's sooooo frustrating being Catholic!Theohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03276420190996430671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-72595328507629690912007-12-06T19:38:00.000-05:002007-12-06T19:38:00.000-05:00Actually, anon., Rachel is right: there's nothing ...Actually, anon., Rachel is right: there's nothing heterodox about a "hope" for universal salvation. And there's a big difference between universal <I>hope</I> and a <I>doctrine</I> of universalism (as Hans Urs von Balthasar has shown in his <A HREF="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2006/01/hans-urs-von-balthasar-dare-we-hope.html" REL="nofollow">brilliant book</A> on this topic—a book to which Benedict also alludes a few times in the encyclical).<BR/><BR/>Norway Ned: I meant it as praise for Benedict, not criticism, when I referred to the <I>Telegraph</I> journalist's remark! What could be better than for an encyclical to be "all about God"?Ben Myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800127501735910966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-21127006621411880832007-12-06T18:00:00.000-05:002007-12-06T18:00:00.000-05:00Rachel wrote:"Universal salvation is a valid hope ...Rachel wrote:<BR/>"Universal salvation is a valid hope in the Catholic/Orthodox tradition..."<BR/><BR/>No it's not valid - it's a modern heresyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-26150528437421103132007-12-06T14:05:00.000-05:002007-12-06T14:05:00.000-05:00Rachel,Of course. Universal salvation is a valid h...Rachel,<BR/><BR/>Of course. Universal salvation is a valid hope in the Catholic/Orthodox tradition, and BXVI said nothing to obviate that hope.Agnikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00494537340737199409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-39436973459334607482007-12-05T23:47:00.000-05:002007-12-05T23:47:00.000-05:00Whoa, that last comment is just way beyond the pal...Whoa, that last comment is just way beyond the pale. I don't know if I can go for a spirituality with that many parentheses. ;)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I loved the encyclical(even as a protestant). If anyone would like to weigh in on this, do you think the Pope's comments about purgatory and praying for the dead leave open the possibility of universal salvation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-46244651502161276322007-12-05T21:24:00.000-05:002007-12-05T21:24:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-81838622122103424522007-12-05T15:10:00.000-05:002007-12-05T15:10:00.000-05:00Thanks for those quotes. I remember trying to con...Thanks for those quotes. I remember trying to convince a former pastor years ago that perhaps the fire judgment is also a purifying fire. Its nice to be able to appeal to a pretty high authority.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17045950595392790139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-8612006838256516902007-12-05T11:47:00.000-05:002007-12-05T11:47:00.000-05:00Looks like BXVI is edging closer to Orthodoxy, esp...Looks like BXVI is edging closer to Orthodoxy, especially on the "Christ-as-fire" theme.Agnikanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00494537340737199409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-58085277874563420792007-12-05T10:19:00.000-05:002007-12-05T10:19:00.000-05:00This encyclical is particularly interesting in lig...This encyclical is particularly interesting in light of the recent work by Alyssa Pitstick ('Light in Darkness') on von Balthasar and the doctrine of Christ's descent into hell, in which she pits the Catholic tradition against von Balthasar's interpretation.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09876769321454257622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-58858762295925598712007-12-05T09:11:00.000-05:002007-12-05T09:11:00.000-05:00I am confused. You write:“A colleague, staring at ...I am confused. You write:<BR/><BR/><I>“A colleague, staring at the Pope’s latest encyclical, remarked, ‘There’s no news here. It’s all about God’.” One can scarcely imagine a higher compliment for this theologian-pope.</I><BR/><BR/>In light of Barth's famous saying that we read with Bible on one hand and a newspaper in the other, are you implying that Benedict is an a-historical theologian, perhaps dominated by dogmatic concerns? Just need clarification if this was a critique or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com