tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post1666021546725473202..comments2024-03-25T13:40:30.747-04:00Comments on Faith and Theology: Ten propositions on spiritualityBen Myershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03800127501735910966noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-73769604488797874922007-07-05T18:52:00.000-04:002007-07-05T18:52:00.000-04:00Hi Thomas, Great and important points - yes, "str...Hi Thomas, <BR/><BR/>Great and important points - yes, "strange omissions", especially 1., as you could say that what my 10 Ps are aiming at is to put the "S" (with a capital "S" as you say) back in "spirituality". So thanks for filling a few gaps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-59308428112340649352007-07-05T16:50:00.000-04:002007-07-05T16:50:00.000-04:00Thanks for an interesting and even "spiritually" s...Thanks for an interesting and even "spiritually" stimulating post. But I note at least two strange omissions. Perhaps they arise from the amorphous cultural appropriations of sprirituality that are rightly observed in the post. But to earth these insightful reflections in Holy Scripture a bit more securely, I would propose:<BR/>1. spirituality ought to be focused on the Holy Spirit and rooted in the NT's presentation of the work of the third person of the God-head. Perhaps "Spirituality" (with a captital "S") would signal this foundational move<BR/>2. Biblically rooted life in the grace of the Triune God involves a two pattern of dying and rising with Christ through the purging and vivifiying power of the Spirit. This two beat pattern, mortification and asperation, is the rhythm of gospel discipleship, of growth in holiness, of the spiritual disciplines that occupy so much of the literature on spirituality.<BR/><BR/>Finally, thanks for the pointer to Webster, whose wisdom here is a source of grace and joy. Not unlike this fine post, as wellTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12221896799453017823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-81646693258327808572007-07-05T09:19:00.000-04:002007-07-05T09:19:00.000-04:00Excellent post! I did my dissertation in biblical ...Excellent post! I did my dissertation in biblical "spirituality," back when the term was not <EM>quite</EM> so overladen with New-Agey air pudding. I could have included most of your propositions in the concluding chapter—if I had the theological acumen to express them so clearly. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-57024158612314329882007-07-05T08:51:00.000-04:002007-07-05T08:51:00.000-04:00You ever wonder what atheists cry out during sex? ...You ever wonder what atheists cry out during sex? "O meaningless universe?" "O randomless events?" Definitely missing something.<BR/><BR/>Shane, I'm hoping your reference to the "martial act" was a spelling slip for "marital act," right? Please tell me I'm right--cause there's far too much association of sex and violence as it is without Christian theologians joining in. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-31588763418471752912007-07-05T06:51:00.000-04:002007-07-05T06:51:00.000-04:00On the contrary, Shane, I'd call it (as it were) a...On the contrary, Shane, I'd call it (as it were) an ejaculatory prayer of thanksgiving. But then you and I have probably lowered the tone of this prestigious blog enough already!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-78458934745827089582007-07-05T05:59:00.000-04:002007-07-05T05:59:00.000-04:00You just haven't met the right woman yet, Shane - ...<I>You just haven't met the right woman yet, Shane - honest! :)</I><BR/><BR/>Although I often hear what seem to be religious claims, J.L. Austin has taught us to distinguish between the verbal content of a speech-act and its intended result. Thus, I don't take "Ohmigod!-ohmigod!" as a form of prayer.Shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14594090275917087869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-19500107492490512622007-07-05T03:09:00.000-04:002007-07-05T03:09:00.000-04:00Hi Byron,The quote does indeeed come from The Wou...Hi Byron,<BR/><BR/>The quote does indeeed come from <I>The Wound of Knowledge</I> (mine is the 1990 printing), pp.1-2.<BR/><BR/>CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-85496378484564666322007-07-05T00:32:00.000-04:002007-07-05T00:32:00.000-04:00I think Ben might have just answered my question (...I think Ben might have just answered my question (or part of it), which is: where is the Williams quote from? Do you have a page number?byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-48404492271666728492007-07-04T23:51:00.000-04:002007-07-04T23:51:00.000-04:00Thanks for another excellent post, Kim. I really l...Thanks for another excellent post, Kim. I really liked the quote from Rowan Williams -- Williams' <I>The Wound of Knowledge</I> is by far the best book I've ever read on spirituality (if you don't count poets like Herbert, Hopkins and Eliot).Ben Myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800127501735910966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-73628063392067485702007-07-04T10:27:00.000-04:002007-07-04T10:27:00.000-04:00You just haven't met the right woman yet, Shane - ...You just haven't met the right woman yet, Shane - honest! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-38647276994520179622007-07-04T08:40:00.000-04:002007-07-04T08:40:00.000-04:00I’ve got nothing against psychology as such – to t...<I>I’ve got nothing against psychology as such – to the contrary, I minored in the subject at university –</I><BR/><BR/>In fact, some of my best friends are psychologists--honest!<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Notwithstanding insidious Neo-Platonic, even Gnostic influence, a couple’s bedroom as well as the monk’s cell can be a place where heaven and earth get it on. </I><BR/><BR/>To paraphrase that great American theologian T. Turner, "What's God got to do, got to do with it?" Put another way--in the martial act it isn't heaven and earth that I'm interested in joining.Shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14594090275917087869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-32403850003615410512007-07-04T02:55:00.000-04:002007-07-04T02:55:00.000-04:00#1 – J.D. Crossan once suggested using the “sancti...#1 – J.D. Crossan once suggested using the “sanctity” instead of “spirituality” since the latter has almost no meaning anymore. A good suggestion, I think.::aaron g::https://www.blogger.com/profile/03849988327077565616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-44515554167375322132007-07-04T02:49:00.000-04:002007-07-04T02:49:00.000-04:00Way to exercise proper "word care", Michael! But ...Way to exercise proper "word care", Michael! But the term "spirituality" is out there; assuming it's not just going to go away, what I've tried to do is to control it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14261952.post-83941415506884148802007-07-04T02:41:00.000-04:002007-07-04T02:41:00.000-04:00While I often make reference to specific spiritual...While I often make reference to specific spiritual disciplines (journaling, contemplative prayer and meditation, etc.), I almost never refer to something as vague as "spirituality" in itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com